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LATTE OR לא תעשה?

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By R. Shmuel Maybruch, Maggid Shiur, Yeshivas Rabbeinu Yitzchak Elchanan

Thursday night, July 21, 2011 8:45 PM
אור לכ’ תמוז תשע”א
Followed by Maariv

At Cong. Degel Israel (R’Sheinfeld’s shul)
144-02 68th Drive (corner Main St.)
Kew Gardens Hills, NY

לעילוי נשמת מרת יוכבד פעשא בת הלל ע”ה
Mrs. Joan Maybruch on her 8th Yahrtzeit

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14 comments

  1. R’ Student-

    I’m curious whether you came up with the title (in transliteration) or if the creators of the event did. I know you generally use Ashkenazi pronunciation, but this seems to make much more sense without the sav (i.e. “Latte or LoTaase).

  2. Moreover it’s incorrect grammer. BeGeD KePHeT b’rosh milah gets a dagesh.

  3. grammar*

  4. JON:

    “Moreover it’s incorrect grammer. BeGeD KePHeT b’rosh milah gets a dagesh.”

    the “grammar” is indeed correct. the rule you cite doesn’t apply if the previous word is conjunctive and terminates with an open syllable. (so keep an eye out for the “lo sa’ase”s in va-eschanan)

  5. “Latte or Lo Taaseh”

    Guess the posters are going to milk this for all its worth. They certainly seem steeped in grammar. Can make one steamed.

  6. I chose the transliteration, and it is gramatically correct.

  7. The application of “no dagesh in an initially letter following an open syllable” is variable outside of tanach. Without conjunctive te’amim (or any other sort of teamim), it is never entirely clear how to apply it. Some will just leave out the dagesh after a vowel, some will never leave it out, and some will try to figure out whether there “should” be a conjuctive ta’am on the preceding word. This variability is most evident in siddurim.

  8. MDJ
    true, but I think it is fairly universal among those who use Asheknazic pronunciations to pronounce it Lo saaseh.

  9. I would hesitate to go to a shiur like this. Even if it isn’t a 100% OK, people would not keep it; why risk the chumrah? 🙂

  10. Moshe,
    True. I was making a more general comment about the teh excahnge between Abba and Jon. But in this case, I agree that everyone says it as it is in the torah.

  11. Regardless of the Dikduk considerations, I intend to attend the shiur. The Nifteres, Zicronah Livracha was a wonderful mother, spouse and grandmother , who was was an amazing role model for many women in our neighborhood. She was both an amazing Tzadekes, and a very real person.

  12. For more about the Nifteres, see the Hakadamah of R Baruch Simon to Imrei Baruch, Sefer Shemos.

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