Audio Roundup 2018:11

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by Joel Rich

The Mishna Brurah (O”C 131:26) contains a psak that always interested me – Tov lizaher shelo yichnas hachatan l’beit haknesset (a chatan should not go to shul)—in order not to deprive the minyan of the opportunity to say tachanun. The piskei tshuvot (O”C 13:23) takes issue but the Chashukei Chemed (Yoma S2:) has an insight on a related question which goes to a somewhat broader issue. He was asked whether one who has the choice of going to two minyanim can choose to go to the one where a chatan is davening in order to skip tachanun. His response is if he is going for that reason it’s not appropriate (he’s running from a mitzvah), but if he’s going to be part of the simcha or for the midat harachamim (the attribute of mercy) it’s permitted [back to my favorite question—OK, but what does HKB”H want of me?]

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My comment to a Lashon Hara Shiur-Your thoughts?
I pretty much agree with what you said in your shiur. I would simply add that most of the standard shiurim (an area that I actually have expertise :-)) usually end not just with the seven item checklist but saying that most situations are complex and that you must consult with rabbinic authority. This to me has always seemed a real punt as in real life you can’t consult all the time. The key in my humble opinion is to develop a sense that allows one to function in the real world based on role models.
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About Joel Rich

Joel Rich is a frequent wannabee cyberspace lecturer on various Torah topics. A Yerushalmi formerly temporarily living in West Orange, NJ, his former employer and the Social Security administration support his Torah listening habits. He is a recovering consulting actuary.


  1. Re intro par. 1:
    Maybe the answer to “OK, but what does HKB”H want of me?” depends on the “me” and whether they need to work more on zerizus, deveiqus or bitachon, any of which would argue for actively seeking out tachnun, or more on a middah like nosei be’ol im chaveiro, simchah, ahavas Yisrael, etc… which may argue for davening with the chasan. And if not which area needs more work, which area is more amenable to being worked on at this point in my life.

    Re intro par. 2:
    Maybe the typical speaker believes he chose a topic interesting enough to speak about because it has complexities that people shouldn’t be fielding on their own, without consulting their own poseiq. So it’s not a matter of “in real life you can’t consult all the time” because most of the time they aren’t shiur-worthy questions.

    As for your solution: ” to develop a sense that allows one to function in the real world based on role models”. I think that marks you as basically a mimeticist — doing what’s right by copying rather than studying in the abstract. Although only “basically” because of the conscious choice of who is a roll model.

  2. agree with1
    2 my point is that these halachot create a type of fuzzy logic system that just studying the “rules” is insufficient to get a true sense of how to weight conflicting priorities and require someone to learn how to fish rather than continually coming back for a piece

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