Comments for Torah Musings http://www.torahmusings.com Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:08:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 Comment on Do Husbands Own Their Wives? by EWZS http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/husbands-wives/#comment-97566 Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:08:15 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38616#comment-97566 Note that in the version of this article embedded in the emails you send out, the word “not’ is missing from the first sentence of paragraph 5. This threw me off at first!

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Comment on Do Husbands Own Their Wives? by disqus_llovYPBDOd http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/husbands-wives/#comment-97522 Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:28:54 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38616#comment-97522 It is also explicit in Rishonim that husbands do not own their wives. See R. Koppel Kahana, The Theory of Marriage in Jewish Law (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1966), 28-30, who cites, for example, the Rashba on Kiddushin 6b. Rashba explains that Rashi calls the performance of kiddushin by prolongation of a loan “ha’aramas ribbis” (similar to usury) and not actual ribbis (usury) because “her body is not acquired by him”.

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Comment on Daily Reyd by Gil Student http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/daily-reyd-316/#comment-97508 Tue, 27 Jan 2015 01:24:00 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38614#comment-97508 http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2008/11/lessons-from-church.html

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Comment on Daily Reyd by Elon Weintraub http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/daily-reyd-316/#comment-97492 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:17:29 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38614#comment-97492 I fail to see how Jewish prayer should be modeled off a megachurch. And while I am a big proponent of Rambam’s dictum of expressing truth, in this case, I cannot find anything to accept from the article. The author has no understanding of the basic components of Jewish prayer, the blessings of Shema and shmonah esrei. How can he possibly advise on how to structure a service? I understand that we do a terrible job teaching the history and significance of these things. I also understand that our service is far longer than most other religions and, at least the Ashkenazi one is even less interactive. Nonetheless, the only way to take guidance from the megachurches would be to replace the Covenant with something else entirely.

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Comment on Community Burial by blubluh http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/community-burial-2/#comment-97476 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:55:37 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38612#comment-97476 “They have been tried and convicted of irreligiosity and cannot be buried with our community”

But, if they’ve been tried, convicted and executed by a legitimate beis din, haven’t they achieved sufficient attonement in this world to merit being reunited with the community in burial?

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Comment on Losing the Next Generation by Kenneth Perkins http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/losing-the-next-generation/#comment-97443 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38575#comment-97443 Sof sof, rightward shifts aren’t, by mere virtue of being rightward shifts, correlated with abandonment/relaxation of the standards or observance of Shabbat/Yom Tov, Taharat Mishpaha, Kashrut, and other markers of observance, in the same way that a shift from MO to Conservative or Reform would be.

If everyone affiliated with OO/YCT/Maharat/Morethodoxy/IRF/etc. shifted to the right, they’d still be Orthodox/become more Orthodox. If they shifted to the left, would that necessarily be the case?

Someone who moves from RYBS-style MO to YCT/Maharat OO is closer to Partnership Minyan LWMO is closer to “Halakhic Egalitarian” Conservative, i.e., non-Orthodox. While such slippery slopes don’t always play out, they sometimes do and the resulting non-Orthodoxy is a logical conclusion of the shifts to/cues taken from the left.

The same RYBS-style MO who becomes Lakewood-style Litvish then Bnei Brak Haredi, stays Orthodox, even if not the “right” kind of Orthodox from the perspective of MO. While some such persons might eventually abandon Judaism or observance, the eventual abandonment isn’t the same kind of progression as MO -> OO -> PM -> Conservative.

Sure, there are people to the right who might eventually leave Orthodoxy, but I don’t think that Ben Torah meant to suggest 100% retention. It’s also true that many MO people might consider the Lakewood lifestyle problematic, but even so, the Lakewood crowd are still Orthodox and I as far as my experience goes. MO don’t generally distrust the kashrut of the Lakewood crowd or those to their right, simply by virtue of their being to the right, in the same way that they might for those to the left (i.e., C or R, or even MO lite). At the end of the day, even if shifts to the right have suboptimal consequences according to Modern Orthodox hashqafa, they aren’t leading one away from Orthodoxy toward non-Orthodoxy,” just away from *Modern Orthodoxy.

A movement like Lev Tahor might be the closest approximation to someone going so far right as to be, be virtue of being so far to the right, no longer Orthodox/normative, but in terms of influence and numbers Lev Tahor is nothing compared to even the dwindling numbers of the C and R movements.

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Comment on Community Burial by joel rich http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/community-burial-2/#comment-97435 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:24:32 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38612#comment-97435 Interesting question -when did the idea of large cemeteries first get started in Judaism? It certainly seems like individual graves were quite frequent (the whole idea of beit din marking them on chol hamoed sounds like it wasn’t talking about known cemeteries to me.)

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Comment on Daily Reyd by joel rich http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/daily-reyd-316/#comment-97433 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:22:34 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38614#comment-97433 re: What is a Rabbi-what percentage of shailot are “pristine” that they can be loooked up without a sense of counter pressures based on specific circumstances? Since when do we say the halacha is always like a specific sefer?

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Comment on Audio Roundup by micha http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/audio-roundup-169/#comment-97133 Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:54:34 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38589#comment-97133 There is also an “aniyei irekha qodmin — the poor of your own city come first” (Rav Yoseif, Bava Metzia 71a) effect when the victims are olim from the US and the majority of the people under discussion are American. It is normal, and R’ Yoseif could be saying appropriate.

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Comment on Audio Roundup by joel rich http://www.torahmusings.com/2015/01/audio-roundup-169/#comment-97126 Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:26:09 +0000 http://www.torahmusings.com/?p=38589#comment-97126 As I mentioned to someone last week, I fully understand why it resonates, I just feel I (we) need to work on ourselves to feel the pain of klal yisrael even when the relationship is not as resonant.

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