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31 Responses

  1. The Dude says:

    But is there a “chovah?”

  2. Nachum says:

    There is no mitzvah to drink alcohol on Purim. There is no mitzvah to drink alcohol on Purim. There is no mitzvah to drink alcohol on Purim. There is no mitzvah to drink alcohol on Purim. Etc.

  3. Synapse says:

    Feh. Revisionist halacha, no thanks.

  4. Chardal says:

    This is actually deeper than some recent posts.

  5. avi says:

    No mitzvah to drink, but you can wear shatnez and dress as a woman. Gotta love the new old time religion.

  6. Note that a woman CAN dress as a woman, and man as a man.

    However, if you are of mixed orientation, you are permitted to wear Kilayim.

    Obviously.

  7. Hirhurim says:

    Same Rema! No revisionism here

  8. Yirmiahu says:

    So much for: “This blog is la-halakhah ve-lo le-ma’aseh. Consult your rabbi before following any practices advocated here.”

  9. Machshavos says:

    Yirmiahu:

    Can’t give him a one day venahafoch hu license?

  10. Shlomo says:

    Machshavos:

    ˙ɯıɹnd uo ʞunɹp ʇǝb oʇ ɥɐʌzʇıɯ ou sı ǝɹǝɥʇ

  11. Mair Zvi says:

    Thanks; The statement is pretty clear, but one question remains:Is there a mitzvah to get drunk on Purim?

  12. LSK says:

    Every single person I know, in addition to my own experience, who attended their rav’s seudah in Israel involved people vomiting and the rav being completely intoxicated. Are all of those people misinformed or alcoholics?

  13. Mordechai says:

    LSK – how about naming names, so we know who you are talking about?

  14. joshwaxman says:

    when i was in israel, i saw lots of young children smoking cigarettes on Purim. are all of these people misinformed of the danger and appropriateness of smoking cigarettes?

  15. AR says:

    Rav Sacks is no longer a YU rosh yeshiva

  16. a says:

    This is the actual halacha in the Shulchan Aruch:
    חייב אינש לבסומי בפוריא עד דלא ידע בין ארור המן לברוך מרדכי.
    הגה: ויש אומרים דאין צריך להשתכר כל כך אלא שישתה יותר מלימודו (כל בו) ויישן ומתוך שיישן אינו יודע בין ארור המן לברוך מרדכי (מהרי”ל). ואחד המרבה ואחד הממעיט ובלבד שיכוין לבו לשמים… ויש אומרים דאם הזיק אחד את חבירו מכח שמחת פורים פטור מלשלם (תרומת הדשן סימן ק”י).
    Shulchan Aruch [Directly quoting the gemara]: One is obligated to [get drunk] on purim until he doesn’t know the difference between “curse Haman” and “bless Mordechai“.
    Rema – Some say you don’t need to get so drunk, rather drink more than usual and sleep and then since you’re sleeping you won’t know the difference between “arur haman” and “baruch mordechai“. Whether [one drinks] a lot, or a little, as long as long as he is “mekavein libo l’Shamayim“.. And some say if one damages [property of his] friend from the koach simchas purim he is patur.

    So the rema actually says is there’s a mitzva either way as long as you have the proper intentions. He quotes a “yesh omrim” at the beginning as a kula to rely on if you don’t want to get so drunk. A yesh omrim at the end says you’re pattur from damage you cause on purim, likely from being drunk!

  17. Anonymous says:

    CHAYOM INISH VCHULEI

  18. Mr. Cohen says:

    I saved the message from the YU roshei yeshivah to my computer for future reference.

  19. Hirhurim says:

    A: See the Mishnah Berurah no. 5 from the Pri Megadim: וכן ראוי לעשות. And see the Arukh Ha-Shulchan that nowadays you are chayav for damage.

  20. Hirhurim says:

    Joshwaxman: When I was in Israel, the mashgiach ruchani of the yeshiva smoked cigarettes.

  21. Mr. Cohen says:

    Yalkut Meam Loez, comment on Bereshit, perek 19, pasuk 27:

    “Even on Purim, one should not overindulge in drink.
    One who becomes drunk can commit at least eight different sins.”

    CHRONOLOGY: The author of Yalkut Meam Loez,
    Rabbi Yaakov Culi, died in Constantinople in year 1732 CE.

  22. Mr. Cohen says:

    “Anyone in Emergency Medical Services [EMS] will tell you that Purim is just a night of excessive inebriation [drunkenness] and a huge Chillul HaShem, said the Hatzalah paramedic.”

    SOURCE: article titled: Alcohol Emergencies Everywhere by Michael Orbach, 2010 March 5 / 5770 Adar 20, The Jewish Star, page 1, http://www.TheJewishStar.com

  23. lamedzayin says:

    On the one hand I totally agree that excessive drinking on Purim is to be discouraged. On the other hand I don’t feel the need to misrepresent the sources to come to that conclusion because I haven’t adopted the untenable position that Halacha never changes due to policy considerations or societal changes. It is definitely interesting to watch Gil do this dance, insisting on strict adherence to sources on issues where they support his hashkafah and handwaving them away when they don’t, like here. We all pick and choose sources; just some of us are able to admit it and some of us espouse conceptual views of Halacha that preclude admitting it.

  24. Hirhurim says:

    There’s no dance involved. Part of paskening is choosing a side in a debate. I (and the YU roshei yeshiva) chose a side, which the Mishnah Berurah recommends as well.

    Perhaps one of the negative ramifications of the genre of halakhic surveys (some say this and some say that) is that people forget what pesak means.

  25. avi says:

    “Rema – Some say you don’t need to get so drunk, rather drink more than usual and sleep and ”

    The Rema does not say you don’t have to get drunk. It says you don’t have to get “drunk kol kach”. It does say to drink more than usual.

    I’m still not sure which “side” they are choosing.

  26. Hirhurim says:

    I’m taking the side of the Rema who holds that the mitzvah is to drink more wine than usual and take a nap.

  27. shmuel says:

    Question for R’ Gil: Is this your “psak,” or are you repeating a psak that your Rebbe’im issued? You stated “I (and the YU roshei yeshiva) chose a side…,” and it wasn’t clear to me what your intent was.

  28. Hirhurim says:

    My rabbeim’s pesak.

  29. lamedzayin says:

    There is a vast gulf between “there is a machlokes haposkim about whether getting drunk on Purim is a mitzvah and my rebbeim pasken one way” and a blanket statement that “There is no mitzvah to get drunk on Purim” which invalidates anyone who is paskening to the contrary.

    *a machlokes which puts the SA down as “yes”, the Rema down as “not 100% but it’s mostly positive to do so” and the MB down as “better not”

  30. Lemel says:

    Interesting the passion drinking on Purim provokes. I have seen gedolim get drunk on Purim. And gedolim who don’t get drunk om Purim. I was at 2 different mesibos, saw probably two hundred drunk people, no fighting, a lot of hugging and rayus. Do some bochurim overdo it? Yes. but in a world of today where so much is ossur, and there is so much enticement of devorim assurim, I think it is a good thing, and I allow my children and talmidim to drink.

  31. Steve says:

    Why has no-one mentioned the Rambam in all of these responses. He absolutely requires one to become shikur and to fall asleep in this shikur state. The Rambam is also as anti-drunkeness the rest of the year as anyone, if not more so. I believe that intelectual honesty in discussing a psak of whether there is a chiyuv to become drunk on Purim must include the view of one of the “big three.”

 
 

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